We’re still anxiously awaiting any news on what Marvel Studios’ next season of What If…? has in store for us. Besides the brief tease from San Diego Comic-Con, Marvel Studios has gone quiet on their animation front. Wild rumors have circulated that didn’t help matters much, but it seems we have something to carry us over in an interview by Laura Karpman on what it’s like working on the animated series, and it looks like she’s having a blast.
Oh, I love it. The thing about What If…? that’s amazing is that every episode is different, so you’re kind of starting all over again. So every episode is its own little world or a big world. And so it really is… It’s doing these series of little films, and it’s a pleasure. It’s a great gig
Laura Karpman
Karpman is no stranger to working with Marvel Studios, as she’s recently been involved with Ms. Marvel and even next year’s film release, The Marvels. While details on those projects aren’t divulged, she does tease how she had to adapt to each episode’s unique theming while also adhering to the scores that inspired them, if it was a Captain America or Guardians of the GAlaxy-focused episode.
So it’s one of those things where big decisions have to be made in every episode. And in fact, it’s the opposite of prescriptive. Although there are materials that we can draw from if we choose to. So there are preexisting materials. If I want to use some of Ludwig [Göransson]’s music or Alan Silvestri music, or anybody who’s worked in the MCU, we think about how do we want to do it. And I only have one kind of monster rule for myself when it comes to using the great themes written by the composers, and that is that I don’t actually ever look at the sheet music. I do it all by ear because I think if it filters through my brain somehow, then it’ll feel like the show. Then it’ll feel like I’ve had my influence rather than just really drawing exactly from what was written. And I think it’s better for the show too, because then it feels somewhat new.
Laura Karpman
It definitely sounds like the series gave her a fun challenge while flexing her creative muscle. There’s something unique about their first animated project that is steeped in the Marvel Cinematic Universe’s history. Now, we only need to wait for an official release date.
No matter where one lands on the Phase 4 debate, Marvel Studios has ventured out quite a bit with their latest entries to avoid the franchise growing stale on the formula the Internet has proclaimed it suffers from since its inception. Among one of the most divisive entries was Eternals, a film by Chloe Zhao that tried a little something different with how it depicts heroism and the galactic side of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Now, more evidence has surfaced that Marvel Studios may have plans for a sequel to Eternals, as Don Lee a.k.a. Ma Dong-seok‘s Big Punch Entertainment, his management agency, has released a curious public statement teasing some of his upcoming projects. The Twitter account @UPDATEETERNALS translated the message which hints at some of the upcoming projects including Criminal City 4, Wilderness, Crime City 3, and, you guessed it, Eternals 2.
There are still quite a few spots in Phase 6 that haven’t been given a project and we haven’t heard from Zhao in a while regarding what she’s working on next. While critics and fans have been somewhat harsh on the project since its release, a recent movement has been sharing their enjoyment of the picture now that Phase 4 has wrapped up.
There were also a lot of open questions we were left with after the final moments of that film, especially with how Arishem teased his judgment of Earth at a later point. If rumors surrounding the plot of Captain America: New World Order are true, there’s a big chance that we witness the consequences in an Eternals sequel.
The box office undoubtedly belonged to sequels fans waited far too long for in 2022. As it stands now, Top Gun: Maverick, which originally released in May, sits the global box office throne having taken in $1,488,732,821 in total. However, the Tom Cruise-led sequel’s reign may be just about over.
After taking in $64M and remaining the #1 film in the U.S. over the Christmas weekend, Avatar: The Way of Water now has a global box office total of $855.4M and, according to Fandango’s Erik Davis, will cross the $1B mark on Wednesday. When it does, it will move into the top 3 totals of 2022 and put Maverick firmly on its sights.
BOX OFFICE: #AvatarTheWayOfWater continues to climb. It will pass $900M globally today & likely reach $1B by Wednesday. Currently the 5th highest grossing film of 2022 (worldwide). It’ll be #2 by the end of the week, behind only #TopGunMaverick ($1.4B). pic.twitter.com/0088p3hiIM
It seems likely that The Way of Water will ultimately fly right on by Maverick, but it’ll still have an incredible amount of work to do to catch up to its predecessor in the Avatar franchise. 2009’s Avatar sits at #1 on the all-time box office list just shy of $3B ($2.9B). That film only opened to about half of The Way of Water’ s first weekend haul, but had the benefit of multiple rereleases over the years.
The X-Men are coming to the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Marvel Studios has no small task ahead of them in making sure that the iconic team can lead the franchise in Phase 7 and beyond. Marvel Studios is also sure to make every effort to separate their adaptation of the team(s) from what came before. To celebrate the 12 Days of Christmas, we’ve decided to put together a list of which characters might play a key role and how Marvel Studios can ensure nobody will confuse them with their Fox counterparts.
The X-Factor
One of Fox’s most mysterious decisions in rebooting their own X-Men franchise in 2011’s X-Men: First Class was the choice to make Alex Summers the older brother of Scott and a member of Xavier’s first team of X-Men only to sideline him fairly quickly. Without being able to access the depths of Simon Kinberg’s mind, it’s impossible to know why Alex was underutilized but it really just seemed like Fox didn’t have a long-term plan for him. That’s good news for Marvel Studios because it allows them to make the easy choice to introduce Alex alongside Scott and then set him on his own path; a path that sets him on course to become the leader of his own team: X-Factor.
Telling the best version of Alex’s story means having him separated from Scott. Rather than being given the advantages provided to Scott by Xavier, Alex’s struggles with his self-confidence and his emerging powers result in an alpha-level mutant whose lack of control makes him fairly dangerous. Ultimately though, like Scott, Alex is a born leader and allowing him to grow into his powers and then put together his own team would be a fantastic way to set him apart from Lucas Till’s forgettable version.
Among its many failures, foremost of Fox’s foul-ups was that it never allowed its X-Men universe to grow and evolve beyond the core X-Men teams. The comics are loaded with mutant teams outside of the X-Men: X-Force, Excalibur, Generation X, hell even X-Statix all exist. Other than the brief assemblage of X-Force in Deadpool 2 and the ill-fated New Mutants, Fox stayed away from these teams. That means Marvel Studios can (and almost certainly will) dive headlong into developing them and Havok’s X-Factor should be one of the first and most important. While the team was originally just Scott’s X-Men working with the government, Alex put his own squad together and that squad is among the most memorable and powerful versions of X-Factor to have existed.
Marvel Studios would be wise to let Alex grow into a leader of X-Factor and ultimately come into opposition to his brother and his more authoritarian approach to leadership. Though the brothers can’t harm one another with their powers, they could certainly go toe-to-toe and break out the fisticuffs should Havok still be around long enough to see his brother cause a schism among mutantkind. Marvel Studios certainly loves brother vs. brother drama. Beyond that, a Havok-led X-Factor team provides a fantastic way to grow the mutant-corner of the MCU beyond the adventures of the core and introduce some other incredibly important characters who were criminally underused by Fox: Polaris and Jamie Madrox. Whatever it is Marvel Studios has planned for the mutants, they should certainly make room for a proper portrayal of Alex Summers.
Marvel Studios’ Phase 5 slate kicks off in less than two months with Ant-Man And The Wasp: Quantumania and concludes in the Fall of 2024 with Deadpool 3. Phase 5 will explore cryptic MCU divisions such as the Quantum Realm, the supernatural and, of course, the Multiverse. It will also tackle some geopolitical stories and the real world-building will be done by two movies that will come back-to-back in 2024: Captain America: New World Order and Thunderbolts.
A fourth Captain America project was confirmed to be in the works at SDCC ’22 after Sam Wilson picked up the shield in The Falcon And The Winter Soldier. Set to be directed by Julius Onah and scribed by Malcolm Spellman and Dalan Musson, the film will see the return of Tim Blake Nelson‘s Samuel Sterns as the villain after nearly 16 years of absence from the MCU.
A new rumor from insider Daniel RPK continues to tie the two films together. The rumor states that the plot of Captain America: New World Order will focus on an international conflict over Adamantium, discovered on Tiamut. Harrison Ford‘s Thunderbolt Ross (the POTUS) will join in on the Adamantium Rush and be the main antagonist of the film. Sam Wilson will oppose his plan and assemble a new team of superheroes to put an end to his scheme. This rumor didn’t spring up long after another rumor, very similar to this one, surfaced on the internet. The only difference between the two was that the other rumor described the situation from the Thunderbolts’ perspective, suggesting that both movies might be part of the same duology of a major power struggle over Genosha.
Captain America: New World Order releases in theaters on May 3, 2024. Thunderbolts arrives in theaters on July 26, 2024.
Marvel Studios 2022 slate was as uneven as any the studio has put out in some time. Strong streaming offerings such as Ms. Marvel and Werewolf by Night gave in-home entertainment a boost while theatrically Marvel put out one of its biggest duds in Thor: Love and Thunder. Will 2023 be a stronger year? Like 2022, all of the studio’s films are sequels but unlike 2022 none of the streaming series will add new heroes to the MCU. For 2023 to be a success, Marvel Studios had better have some good stories ready to roll!
Which stories are the members of Team MM looking forward to the most? We ranked them by most anticipated movie, most anticipated series and most anticipated overall…and asked our Twitter followers to do the same! Here’s what we found out…
Charles Murphy
Most Anticipated Movie
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
The Marvels
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Most Anticipated Series
Loki, Season 2
Ironheart
Secret Invasion
Most Anticipated Project
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
Loki, Season 2
The Marvels
Ironheart
Secret Invasion
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Torbjorn Frazier
Most Anticipated Movie
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
The Marvels
Most Anticipated Series
Loki, Season 2
Secret Invasion
Ironheart
Most Anticipated Project
Loki, Season 2
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Secret Invasion
The Marvels
Ironheart
Meghan Hall
Most Anticipated Movie
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
The Marvels
Most Anticipated Series
Loki, Season 2
Secret Invasion
Ironheart
Most Anticipated Project
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
The Marvels
Loki, Season 2
Secret Invasion
Ironheart
Brandi Blahnik
Most Anticipated Movie
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
The Marvels
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Most Anticipated Series
Secret Invasion
Ironheart
Loki, Season 2
Most Anticipated Project
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
The Marvels
Secret Invasion
Ironheart
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Loki, Season 2
Darian Scalamoni
Most Anticipated Movie
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
The Marvels
Most Anticipated Series
Loki, Season 2
Secret Invasion
Ironheart
Most Anticipated Project
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Loki, Season 2
Secret Invasion
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
Ironheart
The Marvels
Joao Roque Pinto
Most Anticipated Movie
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
The Marvels
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Most Anticipated Series
Secret Invasion
Loki, Season 2
Ironheart
Most Anticipated Project
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
The Marvels
Secret Invasion
Loki, Season 2
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Ironheart
Shashwat
Most Anticipated Movie
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
The Marvels
Most Anticipated Series
Loki, Season 2
Secret Invasion
Ironheart
Most Anticipated Project
Loki, Season 2
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
The Marvels
Secret Invasion
Ironheart
Anthony Canton III
Most Anticipated Movie
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
The Marvels
Most Anticipated Series
Loki, Season 2
Secret Invasion
Ironheart
Most Anticipated Project
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
Loki, Season 2
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Secret Invasion
Ironheart
The Marvels
Hunter Radesi
Most Anticipated Movie
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
The Marvels
Most Anticipated Series
Loki, Season 2
Secret Invasion
Ironheart
Most Anticipated Project
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Loki, Season 2
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
Secret Invasion
Ironheart
The Marvels
Dalbin Osorio
Most Anticipated Movie
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
The Marvels
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Most Anticipated Series
Secret Invasion
Ironheart
Loki, Season 2
Most Anticipated Project
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
Secret Invasion
Ironheart
The Marvels
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Loki, Season 2
Jeffrey Peterson
Most Anticipated Movie
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
The Marvels
Most Anticipated Series
Loki, Season 2
Secret Invasion
Ironheart
Most Anticipated Project
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Loki, Season 2
Secret Invasion
The Marvels
Ironheart
MTF III
Most Anticipated Movie
The Marvels
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Most Anticipated Series
Secret Invasion
Loki, Season 2
Ironheart
Most Anticipated Project
Secret Invasion
Loki, Season 2
The Marvels
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Ironheart
Jared Kirschenbaum
Most Anticipated Movie
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
The Marvels
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Most Anticipated Series
Loki, Season 2Secret Invasion
Ironheart
Secret Invasion
Most Anticipated Project
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
Loki, Season 2
The Marvels
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Ironheart
Secret Invasion
Lanfranco
Most Anticipated Movie
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
The Marvels
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
Most Anticipated Series
Loki, Season 2
Secret Invasion
Ironheart
Most Anticipated Project
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Loki, Season 2
Secret Invasion
The Marvels
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
Ironheart
Mary Rowe
Most Anticipated Movie
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
The Marvels
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Most Anticipated Series
Secret Invasion
Loki, Season 2
Ironheart
Most Anticipated Project
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania
The Marvels
Secret Invasion
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Loki, Season 2
Ironheart
MM Twitter Followers
Over the course of the week, we ran 3 different polls asking our followers to vote on the same 3 categories. Here are the results…
The X-Men are coming to the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Marvel Studios has no small task ahead of them in making sure that the iconic team can lead the franchise in Phase 7 and beyond. Marvel Studios is also sure to make every effort to separate their adaptation of the team(s) from what came before. To celebrate the 12 Days of Christmas, we’ve decided to put together a list of which characters might play a key role and how Marvel Studios can ensure nobody will confuse them with their Fox counterparts.
The First X-Man
No character took it on the chin harder during Fox’s reign of terror with the X-Men than Scott Summers. The original trilogy sideline James Marsden‘s version and the Simon Kinberg films reduced him to a guy who just screamed an awful lot. A properly planned out X-Men franchise within a franchise should take Scott Summers on a 10-year arc from Xavier’s yes-man to a controversial mutant revolutionary. Anything less is doing the character yet another disservice.
One of the easiest ways for Marvel Studios to set their vision for the X-Men apart from Fox’s is to put Scott, in fact, the entire Summers family, at the center of it. One way to ensure the Summers become integral to the future of the X-Men in the MCU is by introducing them and telling their story through a Starjammers trilogy. The first film could introduce Christopher and Katherine Sommers and their two, young sons, Scott and Alex, tell the tragic story of their separation, and tell parallel stories in space and on Earth. On Earth, Scott and Alex end up in an orphanage and come under the care of Doctor Essex, setting up a villain in Mister Sinister that Fox failed to capitalize on.
In the comics, Sinister took a great interest in Scott Sommers and believed that the child of Scott and Jean Grey would perhaps be one of the most powerful mutants to ever live. Starting Scott’s MCU story at a young age and including the connection to Sinister would put the spotlight on the Sommers’ line and set up an ongoing antagonist who could cause all sorts of problems over a decade of X-Men stories. Of course, that’s only a part of Scott’s potential MCU story.
The real work ahead for Kevin Feige and the Marvel Studios Parliament is to find a way to evolve Scott over the course of 6 or so films. Cyclops is a divisive character in the comics and while they certainly won’t go beat for beat in adapting him to the MCU, they should certainly take inspiration from his journey over the years. Introducing Scott as a strong, young leader of the X-Men who whole-heartedly believes in Charles Xavier’s dream and then setting him on a path to develop his own, radical ideas about what Xavier’s dream really should be and ultimately rebel against Xavier would present a compelling character arc. After doing so much to save humanity time and time again, Cyclops became convinced that humanity would never accept them. It’s a lost opportunity for the MCU if at some point in time in Cyclops’ story, they don’t find a way to work in one of the most popular Marvel Comics memes ever: Cyclops was right!
It’s Christmas time and as far as information about the third film in the Deadpool franchise is concerned, Hugh Jackman is the gift that keeps on giving. Details about upcoming Marvel Studios projects are usually closely guarded secrets as the actors involved with those projects are coached up on what not to say. It looks like Jackman either skipped the training or doesn’t really care about norms, because he’s already let a couple of details about the Deadpool and Wolverine film slip and he’s just done it again.
As a guest on episode #546 of the Empire Film Podcast, Jackman let a pair of juicy details loose that can be extrapolated into some potentially important details. Fans have wondered how the Deadpool and Wolverine team-up would work given Wolverine died in 2017’s Logan. According to Jackman, the events of the new MCU film will take place before Logan. With Marvel Studios in the middle of their Multiverse Saga, that’s no small spoiler and actually leaves quite a bit to unpack. As Jackman let slip recently, Deadpool 3 will involve time travel which means it’s possible that Deadpool will go back in time before Wolverine’s death and pluck him out of the timeline for their adventure. Such a choice might possibly be a Nexus Event and create a branch from the timeline. Even if Logan returns to his timeline, the adventure he and Wade go on in Deadpool 3 might end up causing a cascade of Nexus Events.
Jackman‘s description of that adventure makes the Deadpool and Wolverine film sound an awful lot like a classic buddy cop film with the focus on just how annoying Wade is to Logan.
Logan’s frustrated by him, wants to be a million miles away from him or wants to punch him in the head. Unfortunately, he can’t be a million miles away from him so I’m probably going to punch him in the head a lot.
Hugh Jackman
Of course, seeing Logan’s patience with Wade wear thin over the course of the film won’t necessarily be a surprise; Wade wears on everyone. However, it also opens up ample opportunities for Logan to punch, stab, dismember and otherwise hurt Wade which should make for some potentially memorable violence that should make fans of the R-rated Fox Deadpool and Logan films happy.
Jackman’s comments also confirm that whatever the plot of the film is (one popular theory is that it will be an adaptation of Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe in which Deadpool and Logan visit the universes of non-Marvel Studios Marvel projects and kill off the characters), he and RyanReynold’s Merc with a Mouth will be making their way through it together. Just how that might play out is unknown, but if Deadpool needed someone to help him kill off dozens of heroes, he’d certainly at least try to reach out to Logan who is, of course, the best he is at what he does.
With nearly two years before the release of the currently untitled film, there’s plenty of time left for Jackman to continue to feed the audience little tidbits about the film. Despite Marvel Studio’s strict policy around allowing any details about future projects out, details like what Jackman has been revealing often do nothing other than increase hype for those projects. Maybe the studio could learn a thing or two from how leaks built hype for Spider-Man: NoWay Home and let Jackman work as a one-man hype crew for the film.
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is arguably the best movie in the MCU Phase 4 slate. It is critically acclaimed as Marvel Studios’ Magnum Opus, and currently stands at an 84% critics consensus on Rotten Tomatoes. The audience score is even better with an approval rating of 94%, and a CinemaScore of ‘A’. So far, it has made nearly $800M at the global box office as it nears the end of its exclusive theatrical window.
The film hinted at where Julia Louis-Dreyfus’ Valentina Allegra de Fontaine will be headed in Phase 5, with this being her 3rd appearance in just under 2 years. The character is heavily rumored to play a prominent role in Captain America: New World Order and Thunderbolts. The movie also marked the first appearance of Ironheart in the MCU; Riri Williams will continue her journey in the 2023 series Ironheart, which wrapped filming in late October.
Like the original film, Wakanda Forever brought the rich history of a hidden civilization to the MCU with the reveal of Talokan, an underwater kingdom. An enormous amount of work went into creating a culture for the hidden city in incredible detail.
‘Wakanda Forever’ Costumes
Namor’s costume, as seen in Black Panther 2Namora Attuma’s iconic outfit and headgearNamor’s traditional outfitM’Baku
On their official Facebook page, Wētā Workshop showcased their work for Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, in collaboration with Academy Award-winning Costume Designer, Ruth Carter. The post featured richly detailed costumes for Namor, M’Baku, Attuma, Namora, and the warriors of Talokan.
The character designs for the Talokans, which received wide praise, were derived and inspired by Mesoamerican artwork. The costumes were entirely physical, which was quite a hassle for the actors.
“The headpiece is very heavy and under the water you can feel beauty in the costume, in the movements, and in all these things,” Namora actress Mabel Cadena said on the Cup of Soul Show. “But the first time, to me, was like ‘This costume is going to kill me under the water.’”
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is now playing in theatres.
Amazon Prime’s Three Pines, which recently completed its first season, has already climbed to the number-one spot on the streaming service’s platform. Based on Louise Penny’s wildly successful Inspector Gamache mystery series, the TV adaptation has received rave reviews globally. We sat down with actress Sarah Booth to discuss her role as Yvette Nichol and the show’s rising success.
Louise Penny’s Inspector Gamache books have been a huge success and her latest release—World of Curiosities—is already a bestseller. What was it like to jump into this universe and take on a character with such a rich history? Did you go in with knowledge of the books or a fresh slate?
When I got the audition breakdown, I wasn’t aware of Louise Penny. I went and researched her right away and thought, oh my gosh, how do I not know who Louise Penny is? (laughs) I started researching and reading some of the books and I realized that my character is quite different than what they were asking for in the audition breakdown, so I went with [it] because I was like, well they’re casting the series, not the books. The audition breakdown asked for… She’s a little bit awkward, accident-prone, very eager, very brilliant in her own way. So I took that and made my own interpretation of what I thought that character would be …. I really didn’t expect to get the role because of the caliber of people behind this project, so I kind of just did it for myself to have fun.
They got back to my agent and said, “We love Sarah, but we feel like she pushed the comedy too much, so let’s just ground this character.” So we had a work session together with the director and producer and we found a middle ground that we were both happy with. It was kind of a creation with the whole team, which was fun. She’s different from the books for sure.
Sarah Booth as Yvette Nichol
How nice both that you got notes and an opportunity to hone the character! What were some of those adjustments you were asked to make? You mentioned the comedy.
The bulk of my career I’ve done a lot of dramatic roles, very physical roles, so [my career] has definitely been more on the dramatic side. Although in theater school what was funny, I got cast always as the comedic relief in a lot of shows. So I feel like maybe its truer to myself—this character—than I thought? (laughs) That playful nature. They were describing all of her characteristics and saying “she just really wants to be part of the team; she really just wants to fit in.” And I was like, “Like I feel right now?” (laughs)
I was able to parallel a lot of the situations she was in with what I was feeling, like the imposter syndrome, all that stuff I was going through during the first season and my first big role as a series regular… I felt like I used a lot of what I was going through to find her and hone her. But the comedy did scare me, so I was lucky that the director and producers were so open and vocal. I never felt embarrassed to try anything. It was such a safe space.
I was like the props girl. I love things, I love to eat, I love touching things.
There are some great, funny moments where Nichol is sort of mindlessly munching something. (laughs) It highlights how she stands out from the team.
Absolutely. It’s like a nervousness, too. She can’t just sit there, so she’s like, “I’ll go over here and eat.” I feel like that accident-proneness of her just comes out of that self-consciousness of wanting to fit in.
Nichol is mentored onscreen by Inspector Gamache, played by Alfred Molina, who has become quite an iconic actor in his own right at this point. You’ve also got Indigenous actors like Tantoo Cardinal, who has already had an expansive career, and you’re working with the producers of The Crown. You’ve got quite the environment that you’re settling into. Did any of that mentoring happen in real life?
Absolutely. I was able to have some amazing conversations with Alfred and talk about his career and his journey. He taught me so many things but a few things that really stick out are to never take yourself too seriously; always have fun. We’re so privileged to do this job that we’re all so desperate to do. He was trained in theater, so he has this very ensemble feel to him where there’s no hierarchy, no ego. He wants play during a scene, he wants to try things. He just felt like an equal which was really awesome to be around and helped set the tone of the set.
Elle-Máijá Tailfeathers as Isabelle Lacoste, Sarah Booth as Yvette Nichol, and Alfred Molina as Chief Inspector Gamache
I was able to speak to Tantoo, who is incredible. She’s an icon. And her again, too, I feel like they all taught me to really enjoy it and have fun. Tantoo was like, “The fact that I’m still doing this is awesome. I’m loving it.” So I just really took away that even though they’re quite advanced in their careers, they don’t take anything for granted and they make it really fun.
Nichol is definitely very smart and contributes to the team’s effectiveness, but there’s an interesting dichotomy in her because she’s an incredibly useful detective, but clearly a rookie and kind of bumbling along. What is it like to prepare a character who isn’t universally liked and has grudges with the other characters?
(Laughs) It’s actually kind of fun to be the person that no one likes. It was fun to be unpredictable. I just made sure I really knew my lines because if I was super prepared, then my behavior could be very intuitive. Also to have French versions of my lines was really important because sometimes I would pitch, “Oh I feel like she would say this word or this phrase in French,” and the producers were like “Yes, yes, yes. The more French, the better.” I describe her as having puppy energy. She’s like a little beagle. She’s like “I will hunt for you, but oh, what’s this…” (laughs)
Three Pines plays as a big role in the series. It really becomes this cozy, comforting sort of place that seems almost as important to the story as any of the characters. What was it like being so close to home and preparing a role like this essentially in your hometown?
Yeah, pretty much! I spend a lot of time in my hometown on my weekends and some of the locations were as close as 20 minutes from where I grew up. When I started reading the books I was like, “oh my gosh, this is Ormstown!,” where I’m from—with less murders, I think. (laughs)
It very much felt similar to the town I grew up in. We still don’t have a stoplight to this day. Everyone knows each other’s business. It was very bilingual—English, French, Frenglish. It felt very much like my character feels in the series. She’s from the town over. She knows the town; she knows the vibe.
So, hopping into this town through this character felt like I was going back home. It was also full circle to come home and play the biggest character I’ve ever played. I loved that I could bring my childhood to this role and add to the authenticity of her.
So the accent that Yvette Nichol has, is that from home?
That’s my mom. That’s 100% my mom. Some people were asking, “Oh my gosh, your accent is so great! Did you get dialect coaching?” And I was like, “Yeah, my whole life.” (laughs)
One of the things that blew me away as a longtime fan of the books is that there is a completely new overarching story about Indigenous women framing the show. I absolutely loved this very powerful inclusion of that fact that Canada has a very complicated past with its Indigenous peoples. As a native Canadian, what did you think of that inclusion?
I was so proud. When I read the scripts, at first I was like “Oh, wow, okay. We’re going there.” This is great. Because no one ever goes there, really. I know Alaska Daily is definitely highlighting missing Indigenous women stories as well. But what I thought was so interesting too is—I thought, “Okay, this is super powerful and I’m so on board, but who is consulting…?” And right away [the producers] said Tracy Deer is directing [some episodes], we have multiple Indigenous organizations who are consulting on the scripts, Elle-Maija Tailfeathers is consulting on the scripts… Tantoo is involved, Crystle Lightning, Georgina Lightning, all these amazing actors were involved. And I was also told by the Indigenous actors and creators on set that every single note that they gave to production was taken. I think that’s so important. The scripts were changed with these notes. I feel like the stories were really told from their point of view.
Arisawe (Georgina Lynn Lightning) and Kara Two-Rivers (Isabel Deroy-Olson) with other protestors at the MMIWG protest.
We’ve seen so many Indigenous stories on screen that are told from a white gaze and it’s just not accurate to what these communities have gone through. I also think putting an emotional aspect to these “headlines” is so important because like school shootings and so many other things, we read a headline and think “Oh, that’s so sad. How can someone do that?” But if you watch someone go through that, that opens up your heart and that changes it all. I’m really impressed they made it the main storyline. I think it’s so important.
There’s this sort of brilliant moment where Nichol asks Detective Lacoste about some writing they find on a wall that they’re investigating, assuming she can read it or understand the writing because she’s indigenous, and Lacoste sort of bristles and says “I don’t know.” It was such an amazing portrayal of ignorance, or maybe naivete. I’m curious what it was like to share that moment.
What was really interesting about that moment is that initially in the script it was written I ask the question, “What does it say?” She says, “I can’t read it.” And then right away, I’m like, “Oh.” But when we were rehearsing it, my instincts wanted to be like, “but aren’t you Native? Shouldn’t you know what that says?”
I was like, “Oh I want to say this, but eww.” You know? That’s not really [politically correct]. But Tracy [Deer] was directing, so I was like “Can I say this? Is this offensive?” And she responded, “It is offensive, but it happens all the time, so please say it.”
It just changed my perspective. I didn’t want to do it to be funny, but I just wanted to do it because that’s the truth, right? We put people in boxes. I think it was great we had that conversation before because then I could fully commit to that line and not feel weird about it. It was well-represented from their stories because they have to deal with this crap all the time.
In terms of your own experience of Canada’s history with Indigenous People, was a lot of this new to you? Do you think Canada’s history is well-known there or are you hearing it’s new to a lot of people?
I feel like it’s new to a lot of people. I think people know of the general history that [colonizers] came and took land and that there’s stories of spreading disease and get rid of people. I think overall there’s knowledge of that happening. But the residential schools, the fact that they were open until 1996, the fact that they tore children away from their parents, that [Indigenous children] were sexually abused and physically abused and mentally abused, I think that’s new for a lot of people.
I think right when we started to shoot the series or the Spring before is when they discovered all the unmarked graves [of children from residential schools] in BC, so I feel like that was something that highlighted or brought into the public knowledge the [fact of] residential schools.
The show has been very well received. Have you heard any hints about a season two for Three Pines?
Well, we are hearing a lot of great things which is very exciting. We’re #1 on Prime in Canada, the US, and the UK. It’s the biggest Canadian show on Prime ever which is fantastic feedback. People are loving it. So, in my heart, I think we’re going to have a season two. But we don’t know yet. There has been no official greenlight yet, but I do know that people are anticipating a season two. I’m feeling really good about it.
The Three Pinesis streaming now on Amazon Prime. Since wrapping season one, Booth has appeared in episodes of Murdoch Mysteries and Transplant. You can also see her in Last Call, the tale of a bitterly alone man, Scott, played by Daved Wilkins who calls the Suicide prevention hotline, but accidentally calls Beth, a janitor played by Booth.
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